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02 ตุลาคม

An EYE opening experience

An MSN friend clued me into this emerging firestorm surrounding a former featured Spaces writer and very popular blogger. Although I have had no contact with the gentleman in question, I had noticed his comments on plenty of friend's blogs. Still, it is very surprising to discover that something like this is going on in the blogsphere. It shouldn't be really, since we know that all sorts of folks who prey upon others lurk in real life - of course they would be online also. Still, it makes me sad - not only for the women involved, but also for the innocent men who may feel "painted with the same brush" of suspicion.

I wish I had something witty or wise to sum the whole thing up, but I don't - I'm just dumbfounded.

Start at the first post on Jeannie's blog, then follow to her post here and here.


Addendum (11-03):

If you go looking for these post now you'll find they've been deleted, which puzzles me. On the one hand I understand: the ladies involved were worried that MSN would shut them down and they were bothered by the tone of some of the commenters on the posts who were, rightfully I think, angry about EZ's actions. But on the other hand, any trace of this whole effort is now gone and can no longer benefit future women who might fall under his "spell." Yes, people are more aware now, but turn over on blogs is pretty high so that won't last long.

Plus, to be honest, I feel a little duped: why did I bother getting so hot and bothered over something that had this little permanence? And besides, the mutual pat-on-the-back fest that's replaced the posts of the last few days irks me...and I can't put my finger on quite why. Perhaps because I thought the point was to DO something, not just for everyone to feel good about themselves.

If the folks involved go on to create some sort of blog to inform women about how to beware of online predators then that's wonderful; there's definitely a need for that sort of thing and when/if it's completed THEN this whole thing will have accomplished something. For my part, the main lesson I've learned from this situation is to be a little more leery of lending my two cents and my blogs to the causes of folks I don't know.

And on that uplifting note, Happy Tuesday.

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24 มี.ค.
Caffeinate​d Librarianเขียน:
Yes, Aunt Tea, that was me who emailed you.

Tassietoo - Yeah, I don't know what to tell you. The ending bothers me too...it is a discussion that apparently has legs because here six more comments have come in just since the last time I checked in on this space. That's a good thing, at least, although I'm not sure that's enough.

Warmest - Of course you can visit. I'm not here much any more, but I do add an entry from time to time. If you want to read more, check out my other site: http://caffeinatedlibrarian.blogspot.com/

Cara! - I sent you an email, Girl, and you never wrote me back. Don't tell me I'm going to have to pull out all my best "only child antics" to get your attention. ;-)

Siobhan - Hi! It has been a long time, hasn't it? I hope you're doing well. Oh, and I understand the reason for the decision perfectly, I just happen to disagree with it. I don't think that taking them down really prevented the dividing of the community, it just changed the nature of the division. And the witch hunt? Kind of part-n- parcel with that kind awareness campaign that involves advocating strangers to get involved. But they weren't my blogs and it wasn't my choice to make, and that's fine. It's funny, I actually went to a book lecture on Thurs. which kinda dealt with this topic. I hope to work on an entry about it sometime tomorrow after I get home from visiting my mom.

Thanks for the visits, Ladies.



14 ต.ค.
siobhan williamsเขียน:
Hi CL
It's been quite a while.  Actually Jeannie and the others decided to delete the entries because the whole thing was starting to get a little ugly.  They had wanted to inform women and give a few others that were scared some support.  What they didn't want to do was divide the blogging community or have it turn into a witchhunt.  Which is where it was heading fast.  So they decided in the interest of peace in our little community to delete the entries.  But anyone wanting to know about it is welcome to get a hold of Jeannie or me, although I didn't have this kind of experience with EZ, and we will give them the whole story.
 
I like your entry after this, about standing up to call someone on injustice.  I was sort of the same way except I wouldn't stand up for myself as a kid, but I would stand up for anyone else that needed it.
Have a great weekend
Siobhan 
13 ต.ค.
Sherrie Somebodyเขียน:
Mainly I feel badly for those of you that stood up and voiced your concern and your two cents.  I suppose I didn't because I had a feeling it would be "swept under the blogging carpet" about as fast as it was dragged out of the closet.  That coupled with a few more opinions on the whole matter, I decided it just wasn't worth my effort.  But I for one appreciate what you had to say, just so you know, and while I'm at it, I really enjoy your writing.  Hope you don't mind if I pop in now and then?
12 ต.ค.
Auntเขียน:
okay, i somehow missed the whole thing and many of these people are in my regular circle. EZ included. if anyone has the notion, email me and give me the scoop. auntteaphoto@hotmail.com
 
i won't be blogging about it but would like to understand what happened.
11 ต.ค.
tassietooเขียน:
I am troubled by the way this all ended.  My perception is that there were so many general postings (my post included) with no specific details by people who were ashamed, embarassed, or just didn't want to get their space closed down by MSN, that there just wasn't much to go on.  Now that the original post and comments are gone, it's almost like it didn't happen; and that's not right.  I'm not advocating vigilante-ism, but it sickens me that something can happen on this large a scale (relatively speaking) and there was no resolution.  As far as I was told, 29 or more women were affected by this...at least this many spoke up in one way or another.  I understand the need to put this behind and get back to business as usual, but on my part the lack of resolution is as bothersome as what occured.  Yes, all this dirty laundry was put out there, and more people now know to be careful, but as you said, only a very small number of people know--and there are many of those that do not or cannot believe.  It's as if nothing ever happened...
10 ต.ค.
Auntเขียน:
oh my stars. i have been staying in my cave more than i thought.
 
what's it all about alfie?  (okay, not that you're gonna answer me.) :(
10 ต.ค.
Dr Caraเขียน:
Wow. I totally missed something.... something exciting on Spaces, even. pfft! And now I'll never know.... *sob* ;)
6 ต.ค.
Caffeinate​d Librarianเขียน:
Fab Chickie - Maybe by now you've found out what the deal is/was, in which case you don't need me to answer your question. But, just in case you haven't, I'll give you the same answer I gave to Elizabeth when she asked me this question: "...the disappearing entries put me in an awkward situation. On the one hand I don't have personal knowledge of what happened, just what the ladies put in their blogs. That makes me a little leery of trying to sum up what they said and becoming a defacto spokesperson. So I think maybe getting the feed for one of the blogs in question might be your best bet of forming your own opinion. As I recently discovered, deleted entries appear in rss feeds long after they've been deleted. Yet another reason, I suppose, to be very careful what you blog about."

KC - Apology excepted. And thank you for giving it with such good grace, that's a talent that is not always seen alot in the big bad world (whether it be real life or in blog-land). And yes, we Sag's do tend to get a little hot under the collar when it comes to the principle of things, don't we (or when we know we're right)?  I don't know, I hope I'm wrong about the "gossip" thing. Maybe it will all turn out for the best; I'll keep my fingers crossed for that at least.
5 ต.ค.
K Cเขียน:
@CL...**waving a white flag** perhaps you missed my response to your comments about my stomping all over you before it got deleted.  It was perceived as such, perhaps read in a manner full of passion... but I certainly never intended to stomp on you for questioning and asking the question.  My response asked you to read it from a loving spot in your heart as it was written as such... but with words, often it is hard to see the emotion behind it.  When I am pissed off  - it is VERY apparent in my blogs... perhaps since neither one of us know each other well, we don't see that from each other yet.  If this continues to upset you, then my apologies for that.  But it was not my intention.  Passions ran high for everyone while in the midst of the storm but I very much did address them and certainly did extend the olive branch - now I wish I hadn't deleted it for you to see.  I questioned whether or not I wanted to delete my blog posting on this subject... figuring that it was now left up as gossip since all of the original postings were deleted.  I was surprised by that myself but figured it was their decision to make and subsequently, I deleted mine.  I don't take that these ladies are kissing my posterior now... many of them were blog friends prior to this occurence and I wish it to remain that way.  Having a differing point of view does not mean that we must now be blog enemies... I think you can appreciate that.  I didn't have malicious intentions towards the women who voiced their issues with EZ - that was not my intention... I simply questioned the validity behind them and it was also an issue of accountability.  I don't condone his actions and have told him so directly myself.  He knows my stance on this.  It now a sad issue of pure gossip and you have a very valid point that now what was set out to be ... has now turned into mere gossip and that can be just as confusing and destructive as well.
 
Again... I greatly apologize if you are still reeling from my bluntness ... we were equally passionate and I ask forgiveness if I offended you in any way.  I guess that's what happens with band wagon jumping... another lesson learned!
 
Ciao...
KC
4 ต.ค.
Fatเขียน:
*Pulling her head out of the clouds looking around* Ok... I surely did miss something here. Should I be worried?

~ Fat Chick
4 ต.ค.
Caffeinate​d Librarianเขียน:
Lola - Amen, sister.

Tassietoo - I'm of two minds about that, actually. It's a very thin line between a community watch and Vigilantes R Us - and I'm not very sure where that line is, at the moment. I think it's something I'm going to have to try to wrap my head around at length.

KC - You have a lot more faith in the value of passion than I do. Passion without action is all a bunch of sound and fury signifying...you guessed it...a big old stinking nothing. You also put more value in awareness than I do; people are awfully forgetful and just because something was all important three days ago doesn't mean it can't go by the wayside just a quickly. Beside, I think you ladies are forgetting that only a very small handful of people (in the great scheme of MSN things) actually got a chance to read those entries. The folks who don't have a chance to may have a totally different take on these events, because without them it feels more like spreading gossip than fact. Trust me on that one, I've got a few blog friends who are friends of EZ and are dealing with this right now.

And, while I am glad that you were touched by my passion, I'm still a little ticked with you. I fail to see how any assumptions I made in my comments were any different than the assumptions you made about me while you were stomping all over me in your responses. And I've yet to see any form of mea culpa from you for that. I'm also a little bothered that the very same women who were over here giving me a thumbs-up were, less than 12 hours later, falling all over themselves to kiss your posterior while you were doing the stomping on me. I tend to have problems with such things...call them "my boundaries" if you will, to borrow from your vernacular.

As I said, I wish you ladies luck with the new blog and I do actually mean that sincerely. It is a very good and useful idea and has the potential to help a lot of people. When it's up, as I said in my post, I think all of this will be worth it. However, you'll all forgive me if I reserve my passion for when I actually see it exist in fact. It's kind of a "once bitten, twice shy" kind of thing...
4 ต.ค.
tassietooเขียน:
I think too, now that the original blogs are gone, that we have to keep an eye out for each other and warn any new bloggers we come upon that might not know.  You know?  Watch the comments and who's commenting...arm them with information.
3 ต.ค.
K Cเขียน:
Being passionate about something is exactly what people need in this world... even if there are differing opinions out there... a different perspective is often good to have... it does keep the world going round... Having their blog postings removed does not negate or remove what was done and what was accomplished... awareness is still out there... continues to spread like wild fires and yes... talks are in progress to open up a website/space for everyone to educate themselves while exploring the wonderful world of The Internet.
 
It was not in vain... you passion was felt and appreciated... not only by myself... but I am positive by the ladies that were greatly affected by this situation.
 
Hope all is well...
Ciao,
KC
3 ต.ค.
Lolaเขียน:
Interesting post. 
 
People feel  comfortable and let their guard down in this type/sort of social setting  .  They sometimes fail to realize that they need to be cautious and smart about it .  Or at least,  try to.
 
Take Care.
Lola
3 ต.ค.
Caffeinate​d Librarianเขียน:
Thanks for the comments ladies and gents. It's good to see some new faces...actually it's good to see ANY faces over here. *grin*

Tassietoo and Jeannie - Hopefully things have calmed down a little...seems it got a little exciting over in your necks of the woods.

Pinkie - Welcome, fellow librarian!

Hayden and Bill - Unfortunately bad news always travels more quickly than good. That's true in real life and even more so online.
2 ต.ค.
ไม่มีชื่อเขียน:
wow, I'm coming across this everywhere today. I guess the good news is that we're all such an in touch community that when something like this happens, it gets around quickly.
2 ต.ค.
Williamเขียน:
Hi, stopped by here a long time ago.  I attended the convention, another man there also was Steve, we had no clue about this fellar.  My quote is.........I'm not surprised, but never cease to be amazed.
Stop by and say hi sometime.
I remain.
McTell........
2 ต.ค.
daphneเขียน:
Hi - I found your space through Cassie's and Jeanne's - I thought I'd say a fellow librarian hi!
love, Daphne
2 ต.ค.
CJเขียน:
Thank you for stopping by my space and for your well worded comment.  You brought out many valid points.  I ignored the veiled threats.  If my space is closed over this, so be it.  If I were being sexually harassed at work I would be just as vocal.  And while KC lets me know my space could be removed for this, she mentions on her space being concerned she may be boycotted.  I imagine in our postings we all take some risk.  This was a risk I was willing to take because women were SCARED.  Many were hurt on an emotional level, but nobody should have to be frightened.  That's taking the situation to an entirely different level.   Did I mention it's good to see you back?  I hope you have a wonderful week...again, thanks for the kind words!
2 ต.ค.

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